
Rep. Randy ‘Duke’ Cunningham (R-Calif.) decried the presence of ‘homos in the military’ on the floor of Congress in 1995. He matches many of the details of a story told by HRC’s Elizabeth Birch about a member of Congress who seemed to be questioning his sexual orientation.
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LOU CHIBBARO JR.
Friday, July 04, 2003
It began as a remarkable vignette about a virulently anti-gay congressman who
reached out in private to gay activists with questions about how people know if
they are gay. But last month, retold before an audience of nearly 200 at a Gay
Pride town hall meeting, a remembered encounter from eight years ago has raised
questions about whether the leader of this country’s largest gay rights
organization has on several occasions effectively outed a member of Congress.
The most recent occasion was a Gay Pride forum on June 3, where a panel of
gay rights leaders was addressing whether there was “a gay agenda.”
Elizabeth Birch, executive director of the Human Rights Campaign, began her
presentation, which focused in part on reaching out to gay rights foes, with
an example about a private meeting she and an HRC colleague had in 1995 with
an unnamed conservative Republican congressman who opposes gay rights.
The congressman startled her, Birch said, when he ushered his staff members
out of his Capitol Hill office, closed the door, and asked Birch and Daniel
Zingale, then HRC’s political director, just how it was that they came
to know that they are gay.
“You know, how do you know you’re that way?” Birch quoted
the congressman as asking.
In hushed tones, Birch told the audience that the congressman leaned back against
his desk and revealed that he was asking the question because he had “loved
men” in his past.
“[T]his guy’s got three tours in Vietnam, and there were a lot
of guns on the wall,” Birch told the audience, which laughed in response.
“Whips and stuff like that. … I looked at Daniel and I went, ‘Oh
my God.’”
Birch described how she and Zingale told the congressman how they and other
gay people struggle with their own feelings until they come to terms with who
they are and affirm to themselves that they’re gay.
“And finally, he said, ‘Because I’ve loved men,’”
Birch recalled the congressman saying. “And I said, ‘Was that in
a military setting?’” Again, the audience laughed, acknowledging
how awkward the conversation was for Birch and Zingale. “He said yes,”
Birch recalled. “He said, ‘Yes indeed, on the field of battle, but
I’ve also loved men.’”
Birch did not identify the congressman but said the meeting took place a short
time after the congressman created a controversy in 1995 when he referred to
gays as “homos” on the floor of the House of Representatives.
Media reports and other background facts indicate that Congressman Randall
“Duke” Cunningham (R-Calif.), an archconservative from San Diego,
fits many of the details in Birch’s story.
The news media in San Diego reported at that time that in a speech on the floor
of the House, Cunningham decried the presence of “homos” in the
military. He appears to be the only member of the House to call gays “homos”
on the House floor at that time, and most likely at any time since then, according
to a review of news media reports and the Congressional Record.
Two gay Democratic activists in San Diego this week confirmed that Birch told
members of that city’s gay Democratic club a nearly identical story in
1996, and on that occasion directly identified Cunningham as the congressman
in question.
Congressman denies meeting
Harmony Allen, Cunningham’s press secretary, said Cunningham never met
with Birch and never made any such comments about gays or his feelings toward
men.
“He has never had a conversation with that woman,” Allen said.
“The meeting did not take place.” Allen added, “He is a heterosexual.”
Birch has since refused to comment about whether she has met with Cunningham
and whether she based her story on Cunningham’s private comments to her
and Zingale. She said she never reveals the identities or remarks made by members
of Congress in private meetings.
Zingale said he had no recollection of a meeting with both Cunningham and Birch.
Allen said several of the facts in Birch’s story don’t fit Cunningham’s
background. Birch said the congressman in question had five children, while
Cunningham has three children, Allen said. Birch noted that the congressman
in her story served three tours in Vietnam. Cunningham, a decorated fighter
pilot and acclaimed pilot instructor, served just two tours, according to Allen.
“He never had guns on his walls,” Allen said.
Regardless of whom she referenced, Birch said, the subject of her story never
actually said outright that he was gay, Birch told the Blade. The person in
question merely inquired about how someone knows he or she is homosexual, Birch
said.
“There was more than one person who has expressed curiosity about being
gay,” Birch said. “I scrambled the facts. I created a composite.”
Added Birch, “You have a multitude of experiences in Congress. I was
teaching a lesson about how difficult it is to grapple with this issue.”
A full transcript of Birch’s remarks can be found on this page.
Record of hostility toward gay rights
Cunningham has long been considered one of the most ardent adversaries of gay
rights advocates in Congress. His reference to gays as “homos” surfaced
during a May 1995 debate on the House floor over renewing the Clean Water Act.
During a heated debate, Cunningham said Democrats who opposed changing the water
pollution control law are “the same people who would vote to cut defense
$177 billion, the same ones who would put homos in the military.”
When Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.) rose to protest Cunningham’s remarks,
Cunningham told her, “Sit down, you socialist,” according to an
account by the Los Angeles Times. Cunningham later apologized for his comments.
In 1998, Cunningham drew further condemnation in the San Diego press for insulting
gay Congressman Barney Frank (D-Mass.). In an appearance before prostate cancer
survivors, Cunningham discussed the rectal procedure he had undergone for the
condition, describing it as, “just not natural, unless maybe you’re
Barney Frank,” the San Diego Union-Tribune reported. Cunningham once again
offered an apology for the comment.
Called for comment by the Union-Tribune, Frank suggested Cunningham’s
remarks fit a pattern.
“He tends to frequently blurt out stuff on gay issues,” Frank told
the paper at the time. “He seems to be more interested in discussing homosexuality
than most homosexuals.”
Despite Birch’s denials about referring to any one congressman, at least
two members of San Diego’s gay Democratic club say she made it clear to
them that Cunningham was the subject of a similar story she told them.
“She told us that same story, but she said it was Cunningham who said
those things,” said Craig Roberts, former president of the San Diego Democratic
Club, a gay Democratic group.
Doug Case, another one of the group’s former presidents, said he remembers
vividly that Birch told the story about how Cunningham asked her at a meeting
in Cunningham’s Washington office how gay people know they’re gay.
Case said he doesn’t recall Birch saying that Cunningham also disclosed
that he “loves men.”
“I recall her saying he made more comments, but I just can’t remember
what they were,” Case said.
Charlie McKain, another member of the San Diego gay Democratic Club, said he
remembers someone from HRC or another gay organization telling club members
this story, but he doesn’t recall Birch telling it.
“I heard this story,” McKain said. “I don’t connect
it in my mind with Elizabeth. But it’s possible. I can’t recall
who told it. But it certainly was a story about Cunningham.”
Allen, Cunningham’s press secretary, dismissed the comments by the San
Diego gay Democrats, saying they are longstanding political opponents of Cunningham
and lack credibility.
“Isn’t it interesting that this is coming up just before an election
year?” she said.
HRC spokesperson David Smith said the organization would have no further comment
on the claims by the San Diego gay Democrats that Birch told them Cunningham
was the subject of her story.
Reiterating Birch’s assertion that she never meant to imply the congressman
in question is gay, Smith pointed to the part of Birch’s speech in which
she explained her reason for telling her story.
“[T]here was a moment when we touched each other,” Birch said of
the congressman, noting that he returned to the House floor the next day and
apologized for his “homos” remark.
“And we believe there can be a human-to-human contact at some form that
will break open something inside someone,” Birch said.
Birch also indicated in her remarks at the town hall meeting that the congressman
in question continued to vote against gay rights, although the organization
has kept in touch with him in the years following. Birch also acknowledged at
the meeting that the event was being videotaped but indicated that she would
go ahead with telling the story because she was in her final months as director
of HRC.
“What do I have to lose? Nothing,” said Birch, who plans to step
down from her post at the end of the year.
Cunningham scored 17 points out of a possible 100 in HRC’s current congressional
scorecard, which rates how supportive congressmen are of gay rights issues.
Activist ‘surprised’ by Birch speech
Several gay activists who saw Birch deliver her speech at the town hall meeting
said Birch conveyed the clear impression to them that the congressman she talked
about was struggling with his own sexual orientation at a time he referred to
gays in a derogatory way.
“Not knowing who she was talking about, I got the impression that this
was a closeted congressman struggling with his sexuality,” said Craig
Bowman, executive director of the National Youth Advocacy Coalition, which advocates
for gay youth.
Bowman said it was “surprising she gave enough information that, if someone
wanted, they could figure out who it was.”
Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay & Lesbian Task Force,
who was among the other speakers at the town hall meeting, said he, too, drew
the conclusion from Birch’s remarks that the congressman in question was
“questioning” his sexual orientation.
“That kind of culture of hiding is in every legislative body,”
Foreman said. “I think the story was extremely sad. The relevant part
was he did not change his voting record.”
Added Foreman, “I have no sympathy with a person like that. Because their
actions harm millions of people.”
Patrick Guerriero, executive director of Log Cabin Republicans, a national
gay GOP group, who also spoke at the town hall meeting, did not return a call
seeking comment about Birch’s speech.
MORE INFO
Congressman Randy ‘Duke’ Cunningham
2350 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC 20515
202-225-5452
www.house.gov/cunningham
Human Rights Campaign
1640 Rhode Island Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20036
202-628-4160
www.hrc.org
The following is a partial transcript of Elizabeth Birch’s remarks delivered
at the Capital Pride town hall meeting on June 3, 2003. Birch is executive director
of the Human Rights Campaign.
You know, I thought what I’d do is just start by telling a story. Because
I’m going to be leaving the Human Rights Campaign at the end of the year,
so what do I have to lose? Nothing.
I think what it does is it reveals how we work at the Human Rights Campaign,
what we care about, and perhaps, provides some insight into the kernel of what
we try to do — reverse engineer, dissect or open up, to really get at
the human spirit. But I’ll tell this story — as it was from my first
year and it was one of my first introductions to Congress.
I had come out of corporate America. And there was a member of Congress who
took to the floor of the House and was just horrible — railed against
gay people, calling us homos and went on and on, saying we’ve got to get
those homos out of the military, and just derisive and really demeaning.
And so at that time, the political director [of HRC] was Daniel Zingale. So
we said, OK, let’s make an appointment. And we went and saw this member
of Congress. He happened to be a Republican. He happened to be a very conservative
Republican.
We sat down with the staff and discussed a variety of issues, disagreed on
all of them. But at least we had a discussion and worked through the issues
for 45 minutes. And then his staff began to make its way out of the room. We
said, ‘Goodbye, Congressman, thank you for your time.’ And we started
to move toward the door. And he said, ‘Elizabeth and Daniel, will you
hold up?’
And we said, well, yes sir, we will. And he said — and he shut the door.
And I mean, I don’t know, this guy’s got three tours in Vietnam
and there were a lot of guns on the wall. Whips and stuff like that. I went,
‘OK.’ And he leaned back against his desk.
[Pauses and looks toward television cameras in the audience]
I’m just wondering if they’re going to run this on CNN.
But he leaned back against his desk and he said, ‘So how do you know?’
And I looked at Daniel and I went, ‘Oh my God.’ And I said, ‘How
do you know what?’ He said, ‘You know, how do you know if you’re
that way?’
And I went, ‘Well, you’re really, really little and you’re
scared and all the billboards don’t make sense, and all the commercials,
and you have no cultural cues, and you’re a little lost and you try to
find your way. You think you’re a little different. Then, you get a little
self-esteem and grow up. Then you become a teenager and you really figure it
out. You keep building up your strength and your self-esteem and you leave home
and you become an adult. You become well adjusted and stronger and stronger.
And you know you’re gay.’
Then I looked at Daniel. He goes, ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re really
little and then you grow up and then you have to get some self-esteem and you
grow and you grow.’
And finally, he said, ‘Because I’ve loved men.’ And I said,
‘Was that in a military setting?’ He said yes. He said ‘yes,
indeed, on the field of battle, but I’ve also loved men.’
Five children. You know, married. And I said, ‘You know, these feelings
are healthy. Those feelings are good feelings. They come from a good place.
It’s what the world does to them. It twists them and makes them ugly.’
And we said we would be in contact. And we said we would always protect him,
and we always have. He went to the floor the next day and apologized for his
comments. Since then, he has voted almost always wrong. But he’s still,
I’m sure, still living in his own personal hell. But there was a moment
when we touched each other. And we didn’t forget him. We check in on him.
(Videotape for transcript courtesy of Cheryl Spector)
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