Arts & Entertainment
Laughing with Lily
Tomlin on getting married, Ernestine and Edith, Lucy, Carol and more


Lily Tomlinās live show updates her classic characters with modern situations. (Photo by Greg Gorman)
Lily Tomlin
Music Center at Strathmore
5301 Tuckerman Lane
Mar. 28 at 8 p.m.
Comedic legend Lily Tomlin plays the Strathmore Friday night. Last week she spent a delightful hour with us by phone from her Los Angeles home in ā as is typical for the actress ā a leisurely, rambling-in the-best-way conversation that few stars of her caliber make time for. Her comments have been slightly edited for length.
WASHINGTON BLADE: How has comedy changed since you began? This show revives some classic characters and bits, but do you find some elements might have been a scream in the ā60s but fall flat today?
LILY TOMLIN: I imagine you wouldnāt find a whole lot that would still be relevant. I couldnāt say that in a totally general way but overall, I would say the humor then would have been relative to something that was going on then. We didnāt deal so much with universal truths in the sense of the human condition. We did a lot of snappy stuff that was going on at the time. When we were doing āLaugh-In,ā Ronald Reagan was the governor and later he was the president so a lot of stuff we said was just Reagan and youād be watching āLaugh-Inā on some cable show or something and they wouldnāt say governor or president, they just said Ronald Reagan or Reagan, so much of what we said still applied when he was president. But in general, the values and taboos of society have changed a lot in 40 years.
BLADE: Is it hard, then, to take your classic characters and make them work now on stage in a way that doesnāt feel frozen in time?
TOMLIN: Well, itās just what you choose to put in their mouths. The last job Ernestine had was working for Health Care Insurance Corporation denying health care to everyone and prior to that she had a reality webcast chat show all during the Bush administration so she could call the president and presumably she had a webcam so she could see what he was doing. She could call Cheney or anybody and talk about something that was going on at the time.
BLADE: You donāt think Ernestine would still be funny at the switchboard?
TOMLIN: No because we hardly even have switchboards anymore and people barely know what an operator is. But that overbearing bureaucratic dominance still serves in other places. She left the phone company because they were no longer, you know, powerful or omnipotent. She would have had to compete for business.
BLADE: What would Ernestine think of the revelations last year that Big Brother is listening in on everything?
TOMLIN: Iāve been trying to come up with a really great NSA sketch. The secret of it would be (slipping into Ernestineās voice): āA gracious hello ā this is the NSA, the only government agency that actually listens (snorts).ā
BLADE: Iāve seen you use her in unscripted formats, too. I remember Ernestine being interviewed once by Joan Rivers. I have no idea if she gave you the questions ahead of time or not, but that would seem quite nerve-wracking to me ā the pressure to be funny outside of the sketch format. Was it?
TOMLIN: Well, I know her attitude. Itās not like Ernestine doesnāt live somewhere in my body, she does. Certain characters are especially good for that if theyāre really opinionated and fairly short sighted or self interested and donāt care about other peopleās feelings. Then they probably improvise fairly well.
BLADE: There was an op-ed shortly after you got married in which a lesbian wrote āwe came of age in a time when her one-woman shows changed how we understood ourselves as lesbians and feminists.ā To what degree in the ā70s were you aware or were you aware that your work was not just being enjoyed by lesbians but sort of exalted and claimed in a sense?
TOMLIN: Maybe claimed a little. My mother and dad are from Kentucky and even though I was born in Detroit, because Iām well known and presumably semi-liked in Kentucky, I donāt know for sure, but Kentucky sort of claims me in a way. Very often I read that I was āKentuckyās ownā or āborn in Kentucky.ā In fact, I put my hands in cement there in some Kentucky hall of fame or something. I told them, āBut Iām not really from Kentucky,ā and they said, āNo one will care. Theyāll be glad and theyāll hope you are from Kentucky.ā So Iām sure lesbians and other feminists, if I was good and doing good stuff and strong and intelligent, Iād think theyād want to claim me in a sense that, well, you know, āSheās one of usā or whatever people might say in that kind of reference. Iām sure even Mrs. Duggar, if she had one kid that became president of the United States, she might single him out. In any other case, she might not. āThese are my kids. Oh, this is Robert, my son, the president.ā I donāt know how that stuff goes but even if it did, Iām grateful for it in a sense because, you know, I want to communicate with people. Very often I really want to validate people, validate humanity to some extent. Weāre so invalidated in so many other ways and disregarded. Dismissed or thought of as just some lump mass of humanity thatās disposable and exploitable. Rotten to the core.
BLADE: How does comedy validate?
TOMLIN: Just showing what you love and human situations and human attitudes and you show the bad parts, but you show them in a way that we all possess them. Weāre all really in the same spaceship together. Politicians, to me, are a separate entity because theyāre in a place where theyāre actually affecting our lives in profound ways and attempting to do so and not always with the absolute soul of integrity.
BLADE: I found (partner) Janeās (Wagner) blog a few years ago quite funny when she wrote the blow-by-blow of trying to find the right hot dogs and sunscreen on the Fourth of July. If that was any indication of the interplay between the two of you on something as trivial as finding hot dogs, how on earth did you discuss and settle on when, how or if to get married? (Tomlin and Wagner were married on New Yearās Eve after 42 years together.)
TOMLIN: We didnāt talk about it for a long time because we lived together so long where that wasnāt even a glimmer of a hope or a possibility. ⦠She and I would have liked to have been married and last fall, maybe October or November or something, I said, āYou know, maybe we should.ā We were both of the same mind ⦠so we just decided to get married. I donāt know if youāve been on our Facebook, but we made a little thing about it and showed where we went to the license bureau and we just wanted a nice, simple, sweet, quiet little ceremony so we went to Van Nuys, we went out of the way because we didnāt want to be usurped, our control of the situation, you know, āOh, Jane and Lily were at the license bureau.ā But there was so much there, that we made this little vignette of it and it shows us in front of the building. Itās just this old, one-story kind of flat motor vehicle kind-of place. Thereās nothing grand or majestic about it, like some old courthouse from another era or anything. And then you stand in line with a bunch of other people and there were young people in tuxedos and bridal dresses. Then you go in another room and this woman who looks like Ruth Bader she has on a black cloak, and she takes them in there and marries them right on the spot. Families were there and theyāre so dear. These couples getting married, and you think, āOh God, help us, all these young kids getting married and you donāt even ā,ā you know, I worry about them like a mother. Do they have a place to live, any kind of a decent job, are they gonna have kids, and they donāt have any idea what it takes to raise those kids, the money it costs. So we get up to the window and we get our license and then we go outside and there was a hot dog stand with a little cart and a multi-colored umbrella, so we used that as our backdrop. Itās just like four little photos. Now youāre gonna go and expect like a feature film or something, but it was just our little way to acknowledge it. We didnāt post it till after we got married, which we did on New Yearās Eve.
BLADE: Does it feel any different? Was there any psychological shift or anything you werenāt expecting?
TOMLIN: I havenāt perceived it. Maybe there is, kind of. The nice part about it is that itās out in the public. Not that that many people would have known we were together anyway, but when itās reported that youāre married, itās so kind of official. The best part is that Jane is from Tennessee and my parents are from Kentucky so we have southern families and my family more than hers were more fundamentalist ā¦
BLADE: You were raised Southern Baptist, right?
TOMLIN: Well, my dad wasnāt really. He was a drinker and a gambler and I went to the bookie joints with him and every Sunday when I was a kid, because of all the fire and brimstone that goes on in the fundamentalist church, I would sit up in the kitchen with my dad. We had an old Formica table and I was maybe 5 or 6 or 7 and I was worried about my father not going to heaven. My dad would be having a beer and some sardines and crackers like on a Sunday morning and my mother is getting ready for church and Iād be up there in the middle of the table trying to get daddy to go to church with us. Argh. Anyway, my mother and dad are both totally individual and funny ⦠so I would go to the bookie joints with my dad on Saturdays and to church with my mom on Sundays. Letās see, where was I going with this ā the best part of the marriage thing, aside from us being together, was that we heard from a lot of relatives, not my motherās generation really, ācause theyāre mostly gone, they would have been a little taken aback, but the next generation, we got lots of cards and messages from relatives that you never would have gotten even 10 years ago, congratulating us. Very loving, very sweet. So I thought that was the most miraculous part of it.
BLADE: You were on the āMerv Griffin Showā several times early in your career. Did you have any awareness at the time that he was gay?
TOMLIN: No, I donāt think so. Well, by the time I was in my 20s, I suppose I did. There were these rumors that young men were always kind of in his sphere somewhere so yes, I heard all that kind of gossip, especially being gay, other gay people fostered that kind of gossip. They were glad to hear about something like that. So yes, it was probably fairly well considered and Iām sure I was privy to that conversation at some point.
BLADE: I know the story about the Time magazine offer (in 1975, they offered her the cover if sheād come out) but then years later, like maybe in the late ā80s or ā90s you were doing stuff like āCelluloid Closet,ā āThe Band Played Onā and āWill & Grace.ā Was there a point where you decided to start saying yes to those kinds of projects that you might not have done, say, a decade before?
TOMLIN: I never would have said no to them but I might not have called a press conference to declare my sexuality. At that time, first of all, it gets to be a little bit grandstandy for someone like me. ⦠I called Vito Russo and told him about the Time offer and said, āI just donāt know if I can handle it, Iām a little bit insulted, Iām a little bit everything,ā because it was more like they just needed a gay person. It was like with the actor Cliff Gorman who was in āBoys in the Band,ā he was straight but he was very worried about his career so whenever he gave an interview, heās always make sure you knew he wasnāt gay. So we just flipped it around, you know, and when I did end up giving an interview to Time, we made sure they understood I wasnāt straight and we put a little bit about that on the album we were working on at the time, āModern Scream.ā And of course nothing was ever said about it, written about it, anything. The album wasnāt a big hit. It wasnāt like I was some big recording artist who sold a lot, but my early albums had been fairly successful because of āLaugh-In,ā Ernestine and Edith. ⦠I didnāt want to decline it, but I didnāt want to accept it, so I decided, āIām not going down without throwing a punch.ā
BLADE: Now at times, some up-and-comers use it in reverse ā being out as part of their marketing campaign. For people who are genuinely talented, do you think thatās harmful?
TOMLIN: It depends on what kind of work theyāve done or theyāre doing. Look at Neil Patrick Harris. Heās hugely popular and sought after, but of course, we knew him as a kid. But heās a very good singer, actor, dancer and heās got a lot of charm. Things have turned around so profoundly but the thing that terrifies you is if some right wing evangelist kind of person gets in, or we lose the Senate or we get a Republican president, you donāt know how far they will go to repeal something. Thereās such a sense of celebration now and itās kind of taken for granted but if some crazy person gets in there and thereās that limitation and philosophy where they spiritualize everything, they just nail down on these issues and they want to repeal any kind of progressive advance. Itās pretty scary when you see whatās going on in other parts of the world.

Lily Tomlin won the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor at the Kennedy Center in 2003. Sheās in the region this weekend for a show at the Strathmore. (Photo by B. Patterson)
BLADE: Yeah, like what we saw in Russia during the Olympics.
TOMLIN: Right. We did a little thing ā actually I wish we could have been in D.C. when we did it, but I say I was thrown in jail but thank God, I knew Ernestine and she got us out. So we make fun of it. We made a graphic where we show Putin bare-chested on a horse and Ernestine is riding bareback behind him.
BLADE: So your show isnāt just Lilyās greatest hits then.
TOMLIN: No.
BLADE: Do you enjoy working on the material?
TOMLIN: I do. We have some pieces that we still do that work well because I love them so much and I think theyāre terribly funny. So itās kind of a mix. Weāre trying to do something worthwhile but that is also fun and hopefully thoughtful, hopefully even moving in some way at some point. How old are you?
BLADE: 39, but you know gay men often know pop culture before their time way more than straight men.
TOMLIN: Oh my God, yes. Paul, this photographer and musician who works with me, he kills me because thereās nothing that happens on a daily basis at our house, office or anything, that he canāt relate it to a Lucy episode.
BLADE: Thatās a great quality to have.
TOMLIN: Oh, itās so dear. I just scream laughing.
BLADE: Whatās your favorite?
TOMLIN: Well, when I was a kid, āslowly I turn,ā because it looked like the kind of performance piece I could do. The ballet class, too.
BLADE: You guested on āThe Carol Burnett Showā right?
TOMLIN: Oh yeah.
BLADE: Lots of people are on sitcoms but you and Carol and a few others are known for certain characters. Did you feel comedic camaraderie with her?
TOMLIN: Well, Iād known her a long time. One very hot moment for me, one very happy moment, I was at CBS maybe I was doing my first special or maybe I was just guesting on some show like Glen Campbell or something. When I got āLaugh-In,ā Glen Campbell was the first show I guested on and Carol, of course, shot at CBS. I was in the ladiesā room and she came in and threw her arms around me and called my name. That just made me very happy that she knew who I was and was so demonstrative with me. Sheās an extremely dear person anyway.
BLADE: Did you know Lucille Ball?
TOMLIN: I read an article with her once and they were asking her about new young comedians, mostly girls, and when they got to me, she said, āI donāt get her.ā My heart broke but later I met her and she told a very funny story, and acted it out for about 20 minutes, about how she had had to get a root canal the day of the Tonys. ⦠To hear her tell it in person was just sublime.
BLADE: She seemed like she could be a bit of a tough customer. Crusty, maybe.
TOMLIN: Everybody says that, yeah.
BLADE: Maybe she felt more liberated as she got older. More candid. Do you ever feel that way?
TOMLIN: Not really. I have a hard time realizing Iām as old as I am. I donāt feel that old. I still feel innocent in some ways.

Friday, April 18
āCenter Aging Friday Tea Timeā will be at 2 p.m. on Zoom. This is a social hour for older LGBTQ+ adults. Guests are encouraged to bring a beverage of choice. For more details, email [email protected].Ā
Go Gay DC will host āLGBTQ+ Community Social in the Cityā at 7 p.m. at Hotel Zena. This event is ideal for making new friends, professional networking, idea-sharing, and community building. This event is free and more details are available on Eventbrite.Ā
Trans and Genderqueer Game Night will be at 6 p.m. at the DC Center for the LGBT Community. This will be a relaxing, laid-back evening of games and fun. All are welcome and thereāll be card and board games on hand. Feel free to bring your own games to share. For more details, visit the DC Centerās website.Ā
Saturday, April 19
Go Gay DC will host āLGBTQ+ Community Brunchā at 11 a.m. at Freddieās Beach Bar & Restaurant. This fun weekly event brings the DMV area LGBTQ+ community, including Allies, together for delicious food and conversation. Attendance is free and more details are available on Eventbrite.
LGBTQ People of Color Support Group will be at 7 p.m. on Zoom. This peer support group is an outlet for LGBTQ People of Color to come together and talk about anything affecting them in a space that strives to be safe and judgement free. There are all sorts of activities like watching movies, poetry events, storytelling, and just hanging out with others. For more information and events for LGBTQ People of Color, visit thedccenter.org/poc or facebook.com/centerpoc.Ā
āSpark Sapphic Socialā will be at 8 p.m. at Spark Social House. This weekly sapphic social is an opportunity to mix and mingle with other sapphics in D.C.ās newest LGBTQ bar. This event is free and more details are available on Eventbrite.Ā
āDC Drag Brunch on Rooftop – Penthouse (Formerly at Lima Twist)ā will be at 12 p.m. at Baby Shank Rooftop. Hosted by Miss Capital Pride, this is the ultimate drag brunch experience in Washington, D.C., featuring the fiercest queens around. Prepare to be entertained by glamorous drag queens and celebrated celebrity impersonators, including Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, BeyoncĆ©, Britney Spears, Nicki Minaj, Ariana Grande, Whitney Houston, Cher and many more. Tickets cost $27 and are available on Eventbrite.Ā
Sunday, April 20
Queer Crayon Club will host āQueer Sketch Socialā at 3 p.m. at Sinners and Saints. This is a fun event for LGBTQ+ adults to come together and color. Attendance is free and more details are available on Eventbrite.
Monday, April 21
āCenter Aging Monday Coffee & Conversationā will be at 10 a.m. on Zoom. This is a social hour for older LGBTQ+ adults. Guests are encouraged to bring a beverage of choice. For more details, email [email protected].Ā
Tuesday, April 22
Genderqueer DC will be at 7 p.m. on Zoom. This support group is for people who identify outside of the gender binary. Whether youāre bigender, agender, genderfluid, or just know that youāre not 100% cis ā this is your group. For more details, visit www.genderqueerdc.org or Facebook.Ā
Coming Out Discussion Group will be at 7 p.m. on Zoom. This is a peer-facilitated discussion group and a safe space to share experiences about coming out and discuss topics as it relates to doing so. For more details, visit the groupās Facebook.Ā
Wednesday, April 23
Job Club will be at 6 p.m. on Zoom. This is a weekly job support program to help job entrants and seekers, including the long-term unemployed, improve self-confidence, motivation, resilience and productivity for effective job searches and networking ā allowing participants to move away from being merely āapplicantsā toward being ācandidates.ā For more information, email [email protected] or visit thedccenter.org/careers.
Asexual and Aromantic Discussion Group will be at 7 p.m. on Zoom.Ā This is a space where people who are questioning this aspect of their identity or those who identify as asexual and/or aromantic can come together, share stories and experiences, and discuss various topics. For more details, email [email protected].Ā
Thursday, April 24
Virtual Yoga with Sarah M. will be at 7 p.m. on Zoom. This is a free weekly class focusing on yoga, breath work, and meditation. For more details, visit the DC Center for the LGBT Communityās website.
DC Anti-Violence Project Open Meeting will be at 7 p.m. on Zoom. This meeting is open to anyone interested in learning more and getting involved in lessening violence both within and directed towards the LGBT communities. For more information, visit Facebook or Twitter.
Movies
Heartfelt āWedding Banquetā remake a romcom worth seeing
Mishaps, crossed wires, conflicts are all part of the fun

Creating a worthy remake can be a tricky proposition, especially when the movie being remade is a beloved classic ā but that doesnāt mean itās an impossible one.
Consider Andrew Ahnās new version of 1993ās āThe Wedding Banquet,ā a film that put future āBrokeback Mountainā director Ang Lee on the proverbial map in America, which opens in theaters this weekend after a debut at Sundance earlier this year. The original, an American/Taiwanese production which became a surprise hit in the U.S., broke ground with its story ā a culture-clash comedy of manners about a queer romantic triangle attempting to stage a sham wedding, it was quickly embraced by LGBTQ audiences thrilled to see representation on the big screen and positive representation, at that, in an era when it was even scarcer than it is today. To undertake a remake of such a film is a bold move, to say the least.
Yet gay Korean American writer/director Ahn (āSpa Night,ā āFire Islandā) ā has built his blossoming career on films about queer relationships among Asian American characters, with as much (or more) emphasis on family, both biological and chosen, as on romantic partnership; It seems natural, perhaps, for him to reinterpret this influential classic through his own lens, and heās already proven himself as a filmmaker whose strengths line up perfectly with the material.
Even so, Ahn hedges his bets, perhaps, by collaborating on the new screenplay with James Schamus, who also co-wrote the original (along with Lee and Neil Peng), and the result is a movie that ā although it recrafts the original romcom for a newer age and reconfigures its central relationships a bit to āup the anteā on its complications ā stays relatively faithful to the broad strokes of its plot.
In this iteration, the New York setting is transposed to Seattle, and the plot revolves around not just one queer romance, but two: Chris and Min (Bowen Yang and Han Gi-Chan), a stalled grad student and his South Korean boyfriend, and their lesbian friends-and-landladies Lee and Angela (Lily Gladstone and Kelly Marie Tran), who are struggling to become parents through expensive IVF treatments. Min, an artist whose temporary visa is about to expire, wants to stay with Chris and build a life in America, but his grandmother (Youn Yuh-jung) ā currently running the vast family business empire to which he is heir ā wants him to come home and claim his place in the organization. A wedding to Chris would secure him the green card he needs to defy his grandmotherās demands, but it would also mean outing himself as gay and potentially being cut off from his inheritance. As a solution, he offers to pay for Lee and Angelaās fertilization procedure in exchange for a āgreen card weddingā with the latter, ensuring that he can remain in the U.S. while also remaining in the closet to his family.
Of course itās an idea as bad as it sounds, but despite some reticence, the couples agree to the plan; but when grandmother decides to come to America and meet the bride in person, the four of them must attempt to pull off a masquerade that escalates far beyond their expectations after she insists on putting on a traditional ā and elaborate ā Korean wedding worthy of her grandsonās exalted status, all while wrestling with the ambivalence and doubts that begin to encroach on their relationships as the scheme begins to fray at the edges.
Those whoāve seen the original already know that things donāt play out exactly as planned ā and anyone who hasnāt wonāt be surprised when it doesnāt, anyway. We already told you it was a bad idea.
That, of course, is the charm of the romcom, a genre in which mishaps, crossed wires and conflicts are all part of the fun, and in any case it gives Ahnās film the opportunity to explore ā as Lee did with the original ā the more serious and relatable challenges of reconciling our queerness with the deeply ingrained traditions of our cultural background; he does so with gentle wit and an equal measure of respect, but heās not above getting laughs by pointing up the sheer absurdity that sometimes goes along with the process. Neither does he hesitate to delve into the messiness of queer relationships, even (and perhaps especially) with lifelong friends, or the deep insecurities and self-criticisms which get in the way of sorting them out.
To these ends, āWedding Banquetā relies heavily on its cast, who embrace and clearly relish the chance to flesh out these characters. Yang brings his inevitable āSNLā star power to the table but downplays the wackiness in favor of a more nuanced tone, and Gi-Chan shines as his pragmatically idealistic partner; Gladstoneās intelligence and authenticity is a grounding force, while Tran counterpoints her with an eminently likable turn as her spunky-but-anxious misfit of a girlfriend ā and the resonance they each bring to the prospect of motherhood highlights the longing for family and legacy that so many queer couples carry as they build their lives together.
Itās not all about the couples, though. Veteran Chinese American actress Joan Chen (āTai Pan,ā āTwin Peaksā) is a scene stealer as Angelaās hyper-supportive mom, whose participation in her daughterās ālavender weddingā requires her to go against her deepest instincts as a proud ally, and Bobo Le provides a further connection to the theme of family with a charming performance as Yangās tomboy-ish little sister. The anchoring performance, however, comes from acclaimed Korean star Yuh-jong, whose shrewd, savvy, and staunch portrayal of Gi-Chanās power player grandma adds a much-needed dose of level-headed wisdom into the midst of the whirlwind.
In the end, Ahnās update of Leeās classic comedy scores big points for honoring the originalās message of acceptance and embracing the notion of reimagining our ideas of traditional family structures to meet the needs of an ever-changing world; it also succeeds in maintaining a heartfelt sense of empathy for each of its characters, all of whom appeal to us precisely because of their imperfections and their hangups. None of them are perfect, but all of them are perfectly human, which goes a long way toward making Ahnās remake feel like more than just the slickly-made feel-good romcom it resembles.
And yet, given the screwball potential and the endless possibilities for farcical developments in the convoluted deception attempted by its sets of lovers, Ahnās āWedding Banquetā could have been funnier. Leaning into an idealized and sentimental perspective as it gracefully brings its charactersā lives into place, it occasionally feels a bit āprecious,ā too āHollywoodā to be believed.
Again, however, this is part of the charm of the romcom: if generations of straight audiences have gotten the chance to buy into idealized big screen fantasies about life and love, then why shouldnāt we enjoy the same privilege?
With that in mind, āThe Wedding Banquetā makes for a perfect opportunity to entertain and validate ourselves ā and even if it doesnāt tickle your funny bone, itās a generous enough feast for your queer soul that it deserves you to see it.
Just make sure you bring somebody special to share your popcorn with.
a&e features
Peppermint thrives in the spotlight
In exclusive interview, she talks Netflix show ā and the need to resist Trumpās attacks

As an entertainer, thereās not much that Peppermint hasnāt done. Sheās a singer, actor, songwriter, reality TV personality, drag queen, podcaster and the list goes on. Most importantly, as an activist she has been an invaluable role model for the trans, queer, and Black communities.
Sheās a trailblazer who boasts an impressive list of āfirsts.ā She is the first out trans contestant to be cast on āRuPaulās Drag Raceā (Season 9). She is the first trans woman to originate a principal musical role for Broadwayās āHead Over Heels.ā She was also the first trans woman to compete in the runaway hit series āTraitors,ā on Peacock, and she is the ACLUās first-ever Artist Ambassador for Trans Justice. Her accolades are a true testament of the courage it took for Peppermint to live her authentic self.
We caught up with Peppermint to chat about her activism, taking on bigger roles on screen, our current political and social climate and life beyond the lens. For Peppermint, coming out as trans was not just a moment of strengthāit was a necessity.
āIt unfolded exactly as I had imagined it in terms of just feeling good and secure about who I am. I was in so much pain and sort of misery and anguish because I wasnāt able to live as free as I wanted to and that I knew that other people do when they just wake up. They get dressed, they walk out the door and they live their lives. Being able to live as your authentic self without fear of being persecuted by other people or by the government is essential to being healthy,ā Peppermint tells the Blade in an exclusive interview.
āI was not able to imagine any other life. I remember saying to myself, āIf I canāt imagine a life where Iām out and free and feeling secure and confident and left alone, then I donāt even want to imagine any kind of a life in the future,’ā says Peppermint.
Recently, Peppermint returned for season 2 of Netflixās comedy āSurvival of the Thickest.ā She added some spice and kick to the first season in her role as a drag bar owner. This time around, her character moves center stage, as her engagement and wedding become a major plot line in the show. Her expanded role and high-profile trans representation come at just the right time.
āItās the largest acting role Iāve ever had in a television show, which my acting degree thanks me. It feels right on time, in a day where theyāre rolling back trans rights and wanting to reduce DEI and make sure that we are limited from encouraging companies, corporations, industries, and institutions from not only featuring us, but supporting us, or even talking about us, or even referencing us.
āIt feels great to have something that we can offer up as resistance. You can try to moralize, but itās tougher to legislate art. So it feels like this is right on time and Iām just really grateful that they gave me a chance and that they gave my character a chance to tell a greater story.
Peppermintās expanded role also accompanies a boom in queer representation in Black-powered media. Networks like BET and Starz and producers like Tyler Perry, are now regularly showcasing queer Black folks in main story lines. What does Peppermint think is fueling this increased inclusion?
āQueer folks are not new and queer Black folks are not new and Black folks know that. Every Black person knows at least one person who is queer. We are everywhere. We have not always been at the forefront in a lot of storytelling, thatās true, and thatās the part thatās new. Itās Hollywood taking us from the place where they usually have held us Black, queer folks in the makeup room, or as the prostitute, as an extraānot that thereās anything wrong with sex work or playing a background performer. Iāve played the best of the hookers! But those [roles] are very limiting.
āHollywood has not historically done and still does not do a very good job of, including the voices of the stories that they make money [on]. And I think theyāre realizing [the need] to be inclusive of our stories and our experiences, because for a long time it was just our stories without our actual experiences. Itās also exciting. Itās dramatic. It makes money. And theyāre seeing that. So I think theyāre just dipping their toes in. I think that theyāre going to realize that balance means having us there in the room.ā
Peppermintās activism is tireless. She has raised more than six figures for prominent LGBTQ rights groups, she continues to speak around the nation, appears regularly on major media outlets addressing trans and LGBTQ issues and has been honored by GLAAD, World of Wonder, Out magazine, Variety, CondĆ© Nast and moreāall while appearing on screen and onstage in a long list of credits.
Now, under the Trump administration, she doesnāt have time to take a breath.
āI wouldnāt be able to do it if it werenāt second nature for me. Of course, there are ups and downs with being involved with any social issue or conversation and politics. But I am, for now, energized by it. Itās not like Iām energized by like, āOoh, I just love this subject!ā right? Itās like, āOh, weāre still being discriminated against, we gotta go and fight.ā
āThatās just what it is. I get energy because I feel like we are quite literally fighting for our lives. I know that is hyperbole in some regards, but they are limiting access to things like housing, healthcare, job security and not having identification. Passport regulations are being put in a blender.ā
Peppermint also mentions her thoughts on the unfair mandates to remove trans service members and revoke the rights and resources from the veterans who worked their whole lives to fight for this country.
āWhen you strip all these things away, it makes it really difficult for people to have a life and I know that that is what theyāre doing. When I look around and see that that is what is at stake, I certainly feel like Iām fighting for my life. And thatās energizing.
āThe only thing that would be the most rewarding besides waking up in a utopia and suddenly weāre all equal and weāre not discriminating against each otherāwhich probably is not happening this yearāis to be able to be involved in a project like this, where we can create that world. Itās also being built by people who are a part of that story in real life and care about it in real life.ā
Peppermint is clear on her point that now is the time for all of the letters of the LGBTQ community to come together. Everyone who is trans and queer should be joining the fight against the issues that affect us all.
āJust trust us and understand that our experiences are tied together. That is how and why we are discriminated against in the way[s] that we are. The people who discriminateājust like how they canāt really distinguish between somebody whoās Dominican and somebody whoās African American ā youāre Black when youāre getting pulled over. We are discriminated against in much the same way. Itās the same with being trans or queer or gender non-conforming or bi, we all have our own experiences and they should be honored.
āWhen laws are being created to harm us, we need to band together, because none of yāall asses is gonna be able to stop them from getting rid of marriage equalityāwhich is next. If you roll the tape back to three years ago when somebody was trying to ask me about drag queen bans on readings in school, I was saying theyāre coming for trans rights, which comes for bodily autonomy and abortion rights, which comes for gay marriage rights. Those three things will be wiped out.
Peppermint doesnāt take a pause to get fired up and call gay folk out in their obligation to return the favor to the Black trans community.
She shares with us her final thoughts.
āYou cis-gender homosexuals need to stand the fuck up and understand that we are standing in front of you. Itās very difficult to understand this and know this, but so many of the rights that we have were hard fought and won by protest and by people fighting very hard for them. And many of those people in every single instance from the suffrage movement, obviously Civil Rights, queer rights, the AIDS and HIV movementāBlack queer people have been there the entire time. Trans people have always been a part of that story, including Stonewall. Yes, we are using different terminology. Yes, we have different lenses to view things through, but let me tell you, if you allow us to be sacrificed before you see us go off the side, you will realize that your foot is shackled to our left foot. So, you better stand the fuck up!ā
Peppermint for president!
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